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<blockquote data-quote="Dazza" data-source="post: 2915117" data-attributes="member: 33758"><p>My work with the Aussie team started at the end of 1994 when I stopped racing my last season in France.</p><p>I worked with the national road team and traveled and lived with the team for 6-8 months each year in Europe. I also lived in Canberra at the Australian Institute of Sport where I become involved with the Biomechanics department and work with the physiologists assisting with SRM work at training camps and at races. I have washed bicycles in 23 countries. Worked two Olympic games, six world Champs, etc. I did some small amounts of work with the track team. But it was 99% road.</p><p>I stopped most of the work at the end of 2000 because I wanted to stay home and make bikes. I some times do trips such as three months in 2009 with the U23 team and the Champs at Mendrisio. </p><p>Stories, I could type for hours but..............</p><p></p><p>Carbon can be made into a nice frame if done properly</p><p><a href="http://www.crumptoncycles.com/" target="_blank">http://www.crumptoncycles.com/</a></p><p></p><p>but most of the carbon is made cheaply, and too fragile. Team mechanics have a terrible time now with carbon frames being damaged in simple crashes. Too fragile because of the weight paranoia to sell.</p><p> 1. Small numbers of grams to quote on the brochure</p><p>2. Flash large bold grapics</p><p>3. Some advertising spiel about technology making you go faster</p><p>4. Low cost to manufacture (via China) and large markups</p><p>and $ space to allow for many warranty returns.</p><p></p><p>Any frame will hold two wheels and roll down the road. The quality of alignments and construction methods is being driven down to make very cheap carbon frames, the retail cost is not low, but manufacturing standards is very low. $700 to buy from the factory and you sell them at $3,500aud</p><p>The sad thing is the Italian brands from yesterday have gone this way as well to make sales volume. Then they pretend they are craftsman which was never really true. The insert name (example Ernesto C etc) wore the tie and the workers did the job on the factory floor with only a few of them truly having any skills. Most were blue collar labour. Making frames was a job, not a life style or a means of self expression.</p><p></p><p>Carbon, Titanium, aluminium, steel, all materials can be made into an excellent frame if the primary direction is doing the best frame practical to make. Not the cheapest.</p><p>I think steel with it's very high fatigue resistance, high strength and reliable joining methods allows one to make the most practical nice riding frames. Not the lightest, but for 99% of us, the weight is not as issue till our legs look like Sean Kelly's .</p><p>Steel construction allow the builder to truly express craftmanship into the frame, via the lugs and other details which I like and my client's appreciate. The bike is more than a pop up toaster to my client's, it is a passion and a passion to ride. </p><p></p><p>I believe one is not a better frame builder because you can offer any thing for any one. </p><p>Colnago made steel, titanium, alloy and carbon frames so no matter what itch the consumer has , they can scratch the itch. Very well marketed frames.</p><p>It is to fill the market. They are chained to sales volume. </p><p></p><p>The independent builder has more freedom to do what they need to do</p><p> </p><p> <strong><em>A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to become ultimately happy. What a man can be, he must be. This need we may call self-actualization It refers to the desire for self fulfilment, namely the potential for him to become actualized in what he is potentially the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becomi</em>ng. </strong></p><p><strong>Maslow 1943</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p>It is better one concentrates the direction in a chosen path.</p><p>For me it is steel.</p><p>I do not need to make frames in other materials.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There is a reason to build a frame a certain shape, not just a question to follow the market-not just for money. I think it is stupid just to follow the market </span></em></strong></p><p> <strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is more fun to make the market</span></em></strong></p><p> <strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is really hard of course</span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">"Marketing cannot invent Passion"</span></strong></em> </p><p><strong>Dario Pegoretti</strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p>My T shirt is</p><p></p><p><em><strong>It is steel</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>It is lugs</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>let the others get on with the madness</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>You know I am right!</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em><strong>Darrell McCulloch</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dazza, post: 2915117, member: 33758"] My work with the Aussie team started at the end of 1994 when I stopped racing my last season in France. I worked with the national road team and traveled and lived with the team for 6-8 months each year in Europe. I also lived in Canberra at the Australian Institute of Sport where I become involved with the Biomechanics department and work with the physiologists assisting with SRM work at training camps and at races. I have washed bicycles in 23 countries. Worked two Olympic games, six world Champs, etc. I did some small amounts of work with the track team. But it was 99% road. I stopped most of the work at the end of 2000 because I wanted to stay home and make bikes. I some times do trips such as three months in 2009 with the U23 team and the Champs at Mendrisio. Stories, I could type for hours but.............. Carbon can be made into a nice frame if done properly [URL]http://www.crumptoncycles.com/[/URL] but most of the carbon is made cheaply, and too fragile. Team mechanics have a terrible time now with carbon frames being damaged in simple crashes. Too fragile because of the weight paranoia to sell. 1. Small numbers of grams to quote on the brochure 2. Flash large bold grapics 3. Some advertising spiel about technology making you go faster 4. Low cost to manufacture (via China) and large markups and $ space to allow for many warranty returns. Any frame will hold two wheels and roll down the road. The quality of alignments and construction methods is being driven down to make very cheap carbon frames, the retail cost is not low, but manufacturing standards is very low. $700 to buy from the factory and you sell them at $3,500aud The sad thing is the Italian brands from yesterday have gone this way as well to make sales volume. Then they pretend they are craftsman which was never really true. The insert name (example Ernesto C etc) wore the tie and the workers did the job on the factory floor with only a few of them truly having any skills. Most were blue collar labour. Making frames was a job, not a life style or a means of self expression. Carbon, Titanium, aluminium, steel, all materials can be made into an excellent frame if the primary direction is doing the best frame practical to make. Not the cheapest. I think steel with it's very high fatigue resistance, high strength and reliable joining methods allows one to make the most practical nice riding frames. Not the lightest, but for 99% of us, the weight is not as issue till our legs look like Sean Kelly's . Steel construction allow the builder to truly express craftmanship into the frame, via the lugs and other details which I like and my client's appreciate. The bike is more than a pop up toaster to my client's, it is a passion and a passion to ride. I believe one is not a better frame builder because you can offer any thing for any one. Colnago made steel, titanium, alloy and carbon frames so no matter what itch the consumer has , they can scratch the itch. Very well marketed frames. It is to fill the market. They are chained to sales volume. The independent builder has more freedom to do what they need to do [B][I]A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to become ultimately happy. What a man can be, he must be. This need we may call self-actualization It refers to the desire for self fulfilment, namely the potential for him to become actualized in what he is potentially the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becomi[/I]ng. Maslow 1943 [SIZE=2][/SIZE][/B] It is better one concentrates the direction in a chosen path. For me it is steel. I do not need to make frames in other materials. [B][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/B] [B][I][FONT=Verdana]There is a reason to build a frame a certain shape, not just a question to follow the market-not just for money. I think it is stupid just to follow the market [/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][FONT=Verdana]It is more fun to make the market[/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][FONT=Verdana]It is really hard of course[/FONT][/I][/B] [I][B][FONT=Verdana]"Marketing cannot invent Passion"[/FONT][/B][/I] [B]Dario Pegoretti[/B] My T shirt is [I][B]It is steel It is lugs let the others get on with the madness You know I am right! [/B][/I][B]Darrell McCulloch[/B] [/QUOTE]
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